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Freethought Association of West Michigan
Meeting Minutes for July 9, 2003; #
142

Topic: The Psychology of Religiosity, Fundamentalism and Atheism


The following is the calendar listing of topics and events through October:

July 13; 7PM: Freethought Movie Night At Jason and Deanna's. Contact at 616-634-2471 or jpittman@backpacker.com. This particular night is to be more social than film- oriented.

July 23 is our next regular meeting with the topic: "The Philosophy of Vedanta" to be presented by Renu Malhotra and Fred Stella of the Interfaith Dialogue Association.

August 13: "WWJD: Debunking Popular Myths About Jesus" to be presented by Jeremy Crow, FAoWM member.

On August 27, GVSU Evolutionary Biology Professor and FAoWM member, Dr. Carl Bajema, will present "Richard Dawkins- The Devil's Chaplain."

"A Critique of Atheism and Humanism" will be presented on September 10 by Judith Walker-Riggs, Interim Senior Minister, Fountain Street Church.

Then, on September 24, "Nature vs. Nurture" will be the topic presented by GRCC Biology Professor and FAoWM board member, Dr. Gregory Forbes.

The meeting for October 8 is still to be announced at this writing.

Rounding out October, "Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism" will be presented on the 22nd by David Fideler, PhD, who authored a book with the same title. Fideler is the Director of the Concord Grove Education Center.
Our topic for this meeting was "The psychology of Religion- Research on Religiosity, Fundamentalism and Atheism" and was presented by Luke Galen, Assistant Professor of Psychology at GVSU and FAoWM member.

Areas of Interest in the Psychology of Religion include why people believe in god, the evolution of religion as a function of brain development, mythology and the psyche, cultural values: influence on psyche and religiosity, life- span development and religious thought (e.g., parental influences), how religion is learned (modeling, social learning theory), personality traits and religion, psychopathy and religion, exceptional religious experience, neurology and neuropsychology, and the physiology of meditation, trance, stigmata, ecstatic group experiences, and glossolalia.
Empirical research done on religiosity relies on the scientific method, surveys and experiments that generate measurable and objective data but due to the bias inherent in this subject for study, much of the work regards social- behavioral issues.

Dr. Galen contrasted the research presented to our group by two recent speakers, Dr. David Myers and Kimberly Blaker as to a value characterization on what religion provides. Dr. Myers, in a talk with the topic question of whether religion does more harm or good, came down on the side of religion's positive attributes, including how it can lead to better mental and physical health. Ms. Blaker's appraisal, centering mostly on the Religious Right, Fundamentalism and in particular, Christian Fundamentalism, depicted this form of religious expression as a destructive force in society, leading to prejudice, negative attitudes toward women and minorities, etc.

Our presenter showed how, indeed, a religious attitude can be positively linked to better physical and mental health, as Dr. Myers claimed, but that the pathways linking them are not a simple 1-1 alignment. The psychological factors of religiosity include optimism, a sense of purpose and coping skills. Behavioral factors include a decrease in smoking, alcohol and drug use and more inclination toward physical exercise. The social ones deal with components such as social support and positive role models. A sense of purpose does not require religion but religion provides one with a built in system of feeling specially loved and cared for by a higher power. Work and goals can be elevated in the minds of the religious as doing "God's work." Religions that see the use or abuse of tobacco, alcohol or drugs as either sinful or at least a sign of an undisciplined life adhering to physical sensations, can tamp down this behavior in believers somewhat. The social network that is there through the church, complete with mechanisms for response to members who are depressed, hospitalized or in other tough situations, provides comfort for many. The placebo effect kicks in when one believes others are moving God to heal via their prayers. In an increasingly depersonalized medical treatment delivery system, faith healers, 1-1 attention givers employing "alternative" treatment, or those calling on a deity to intervene on behalf of one in ill health, can make for a powerful response in that individual. Religiosity is not, however, necessary for any of the above-mentioned quality of life factors to be present.

Professor Galen next turned to the relationship of religion to social attitudes and behavior. Exploring whether or not religious people behave in a pro-social manner, and whether this confers upon them the label of being "good" and conversely, are the non-religious, then, "bad"? The research on this relationship depends on two issues: how does one define "religious" and how does one define "good/positive" and "bad/negative"? Scrutinizing religiosity in an objective manner requires measurements. Some ways suggested for this are to measure church membership, attendance and denomination, frequency of prayer and involvement in church activities and personal beliefs and attitudes.

Galen drew from Allport's Religious Orientation Scale to explore the dimensions of religiousness, breaking it down along the extrinsic, intrinsic and quest approaches. These were exemplified in the presentation through the animated television family members, the Simpsons, with the hedonistic Homer using religion in a utilitarian manner-praying to get relief or protection, not deriving a higher spiritual feeling from church membership, but rather using this weekly habit as a social outlet, and having many other things in life, besides basic religious beliefs that are important. The intrinsic was shown in the form of Marge, of the towering blue hair. Hers is an internalized belief where the entire approach to life is based on her personal religious beliefs and the honest attempt to live life by her religious dictates. This individual enjoys absorbing the stuff of her religion. Quest religiosity, as personified by Lisa, the precocious middle child in the family, is where the individual questions her religious beliefs, spurred on to investigate what her religious precepts tell her against the backdrop of the real world tensions heightened by a global awareness. The dialogue is open- ended and responsive and includes existential questions raised by the contradictions and tragedies in life. Doubt enters the picture and the worldview is more complex, for the quest form, with the results of one's active wrestling with ideas subject to change and revision.

The Simpson's neighbor, Ned Flanders, was the image and exemplar for Fundamentalism, the form of religious belief that says that whenever religion and science clash, science must be wrong. It involves ultimate truth claims and a belief that there is an ever- present battle against evil to fight. The Fundamentalist convictions include having a personal and special relationship to the deity and an adherence to unchanging doctrines and dogma. Using the declarative statement from the Fundamentalist mindset: "Whenever science and scripture conflict, science is wrong." In one of the classes of GVSU Intro. Psych. students that he teaches, Dr. Galen generated a bar graph from their responses, displaying along percentage lines whether they very strongly disagreed… all the way over to very strongly agreed. What it showed was a very nominal ripple all along the low percentage bars for the side in agreement with the statement until you get to the precise middle bar between extremes-this bar shot up the highest, tapering down again as one went to the side tending toward stronger disagreement (all higher than the agreement side of the middle bar) and then boosting back up again to the second highest bar for "very strongly disagree."

The rest of the bar graph displays with the same group of subjects all had one striking commonality: they featured higher percentages at the extremes in belief for agreement and disagreement, falling off toward the middle range and then spiking up again in the dead center. The next item statement was: "God doesn't favor any certain group." The highest bar was on the VSA (very strongly agree) side, but with the above-mentioned pattern to be seen. The study group was next given the statement to rate: "All religions have flaws." The pattern prevailed once again though with all on the agreement side of the graph having higher bars than the other end of the spectrum.

In measuring for the extent to which people agree with standard Christian teachings, such as the Sermon on the Mount, Golden Rule and Ten Commandments one could not distinguish between liberal and conservative party allegiance. Former presidents Reagan and Carter were shown to emphasize this finding where two men of devout and earnest faith but of two disparate political stripes were indistinguishable for their beliefs in the religious orthodoxy.
Getting more into the research findings presented by Blaker and others, we next turned to Right Wing Authoritarianism (RWA). This is not a measure of religion specifically, but is associated with it and is a combination of submission to authority, willingness to aggress against outsiders and "sinners", and adherence to societal conventions. RWAs tend to carry the teachings of their childhood into adulthood, go to church more often, pray and read scriptures more and report having experienced little doubt as to their religious convictions.

They also tend to believe that democracy gives people too much freedom, are more willing to help locate and arrest homosexuals, communists and cult members, believe in physical punishment and longer prison sentences and deliver more shocks in lab testing where people are given to comply with an authority figure's gentle verbal prod to continue the experiment, even when it becomes increasingly obvious that the subject they believe is receiving their shocks ("the learner") cries out under ever more painful shocks. There is actually no one being harmed in this experiment and the "learner" is not the subject at all. It is the "teacher" who is observed-seeing just how far she or he will go in punishing the learner for incorrect responses, when only a lab coat wearing figure, without any coercion, simply asks them to go on.

RWAs are "equal opportunity bigots to outgroups and employ their religion to justify a non religious agenda. Data collected show that those with no religion are the least Right Wing Authoritarian. Professor Galen quoted Altemeyer in Enemies of Freedom as to Authoritarianism: "Thus. High Authoritarians tend to be religious (and vice versa), to have tightly wound ideologies, to be under pressure to believe, keeping doubts tucked away. Complicated biblical material is lined up to support authoritarianism and contradictory material is disconnected (many Authoritarians agree with Jesus' admonition not to judge but it has no apparent effect on their behavior). Their belief system appears to be self- confirming, enduring and closed. Really, the beliefs could be anything, and hostilities based on them appear highly resistant to change." In a display, Galen showed spheres representing RWA, Fundamentalism, Christian Orthodoxy and Intrinsic Religiosity. The spheres were all different categories but had overlap with each other showing them to be different species of the same basic organism.

In examining religion and pro-social behavior (ascetics versus altruism), we looked at factors for sexuality, alcohol/drug abuse, honesty, altruism and obedience, with the caveat that these were more difficult to gather non-biased measurements. People want to come off as looking good. Past research on correlates of religious measures showed that extrinsic religiosity tends to be associated with "negative" values and pathology, whereas the intrinsic variety correlates more with pro-social behavior and subjective well- being; i.e. happiness. It also shows that intrinsic religiosity correlates with social desirability (the need to be seen as "good"-as noted above). Quest (remember Lisa Simpson?) tends to be associated with lower prejudice and more liberal political attitudes and complexity but is also associated with negative mood and slight maladjustment. There is not a ready answer or simplistic belief scenario to fall back on and there is more awareness of injustice and far reaching implications to the conclusions drawn from a more aggressive mental wrestling with issues and ideas for the quest individual.

We explored religion and ascetic values by determining attitudes versus behavior in intrinsically religious individuals. They are typically more conservative, with a stronger opposition to abortion, divorce, pornography, contraception, homosexuality, feminism, nudity in media, suicide and euthanasia. They express support of marriage, capital punishment, traditional sex roles, conservative politics, criminal sentences, and censorship of sex and violence. As to sex, they are more likely to disapprove of "untraditional" sexual behavior (premarital, homosexual, cheating) and have lower rates of such behavior themselves. Religiousness, however, is unrelated to marital sexuality such as frequency of sexual intercourse, consistency of orgasm, etc. At this point Galen mentioned Blaker's talk to us on the negative findngs on Fundamentalism and sexuality such as traditional gender role belief-the "rightness" of subservience and passivity of women, negativity toward women in general, spousal abuse, sex on demand and greater expectations for child bearing, etc.

As to alcohol and drug use, findings show that fundamentalism and intrinsic correlates negatively with drug use but, interestingly, more weakly with alcohol use. Those in more conservative denominations report a lower frequency of use, and more absolute abstention (see the push for abstinence policies pushed from the more conservative wing of the GOP). Those however in non-conservative denominations, even though they may be very religious, show a wide range of drinking behavior-therefore, religion alone is a weak predictor of drinking, outside of conservatives. Another bar graph was shown for a breakdown of abstinence levels in different denominations. Those of no denominational affiliation had a level of abstinence level of just over 20%, Catholics at 15%, moderate Protestants, slightly lower, but conservative Protestants at slightly over 45%. He also presented us with a chart plotting the mean number of drinks per occasion with the mean intrinsic religiosity. So what are the findings about the religious emphasis in the home-and its influence on quantity of alcohol consumed? Using the GVSU Intro. Psych. Students as samples again, he generated a graph showing that those with a moderate religious emphasis in the home averaged the highest number of drinks per occasion, descending in order in the "little" religious emphasis category and lower still at "none." However, "none" was higher than the descending "large" emphasis bar and this was higher than the one marked "high" for religious home emphasis.

As was mentioned, since self reporting taps into self presentation issues, many studies focus on behavioral measures. Religiosity seemed to present no evidence for deterring cheating on exams and in some studies the more religious students, in fact, cheated more! As to volunteered assistance in situations where one gives of oneself to work with children, assist a stranded motorist, checking on a woman in distress, etc., religiosity showed no relationship to helping! It was noted, interestingly, that this is seen in volunteering OUTSIDE the church sphere, but that in the church context there is indeed more likelihood of giving assistance.

Still on the subject of volunteerism and altruistic behavior, Dr. Galen presented a study done by Batson featuring the "Good Samaritan" scenario. One must keep in mind that the targeted group was Seminary students and that they had the Good Samaritan ideas fresh in their minds, as they had just completed questionnaires on religious orientation and had been asked to prepare a short talk based on either the G. Samaritan parable or on jobs that students may pursue. They were then given a map to show them how to get to another building where they would give this talk. Some were told they needed to hurry. As they passed down an alley a man was slumped in a doorway, head down, eyes closed. As the students passed, the "victim" coughed and groaned. The key measure in this was whether they stopped to offer help. If help was offered, the victim indicated that he had just taken medication and that he would be fine if left alone.

Here are the results: 40% of subjects overall stopped to help. Those in the hurry condition were less likely to assist as might be predicted but contrary to expectation for many who see religious orientation as an important factor in being "good", the subject's orientation had no bearing on their stopping and offering of help. Also of note was that the speech topic the students were to prepare (jobs or on the Good Samaritan parable) made no difference on their behavior. One interesting difference that was , however, related to taking the victim at his word-he would be fine if left alone-or the student's insistence on helping despite what the victim's protestations. Those of the intrinsic religiosity type were the more insistent on helping (whether the "helpee" wants it or not) where as those of the quest orientation were negatively associated with insistent aid. In other studies, the intrinsic pro-social behavior appears to be associated with thoughts of personal reward or need to feel or be perceived as altruistic rather than actual compassion for others.

The response to an authority figure (a lab coated researcher) by one cast as a "teacher" as to delivering increasingly painful shocks to a supposed "learner" was mentioned above. It is known as Milgram's Obedience Paradigm. The learner even complained nervously about a heart condition but the experimenter said that the shocks were indeed painful but not dangerous. The subject only had to make a clear refusal to discontinue the experiment for it to cease and then s/he would be briefed as to the deception and actual variables of interest (his/her willingness to continue with a simple verbal prompt from the "experimenter.") When this was analyzed as to degree of religious belief it was found that it was the moderates who were the most obedient/ delivered the greatest amount of "shock" to the "learner! To either side of the looming moderate bar the less extreme non-believer was higher than the less extreme believer. These findings came as quite a surprise to many in our attendance. When the scale was further broken down along the lines of "Fundamentalists", "Moderates" and "Humanists" we saw the same pattern emerge of the moderate group having the highest bar for mean maximum shock administered. The next highest were the fundamentalists, and lowest were the humanists.

Bock and Warren were cited for their suggestions as to why these patterns emerge. They state that the religious extremes consist of persons who have arrived at strong commitments and firm decisions and are capable of decisions consistent with moral conscience. The moderates are those who do not know for sure and are therefore more willing to have decisions made for them. There is NO evidence that religiosity makes one more humane; and some tendency for the opposite effect.

In investigating religion and pro- social behavior we looked next at how this relates to prejudice, racism and homophobia. Galen began this portion with two quotes: "We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." Jonathan Swift. And, "The role of religion is paradoxical. It makes prejudice and it unmakes prejudice…Some people say the only cure for prejudice is more religion; some say the only cure is to abolish religion." Gordon Allport.

Once again we see the now familiar pattern show up where it is the moderately religious people who have the highest degree of prejudice, intolerance and specific negative attitudes than the weakly, or no-religious individuals.

Relationships between prejudice and religiosity are often complex and curvilinear with extremes at the lowest ends. This too was broken down into denominational groups with the results (by Altemeyer and Hunsberger) being that the highest scores for ethnic prejudice were found in Mennonites, Lutherans and Catholics, followed by "Fundamentalists" then Anglican and United Church and with the lowest level (about half that of the lowest of the religious denominations) in the non-religious category. It has to be asked that since all religious traditions emphasize compassion and altruism why that content of the belief system seems to make no difference as to the expression of the belief. To what extent does the sanctioning of prejudice by a deity make it easier to practice one's religion from a likewise prejudicial standpoint? It was suggested that the overlap between High Right Wing Authoritarianism with High Fundamentalism might have more to do with stronger prejudice than the religious content per se.

The same researchers as noted above, in teasing apart the same denominations also listed above as to negative attitudes toward homosexuals, found that the Mennonites and Fundies had the highest degree of negativity toward this group with non-believers (or at least those not officially affiliated with any particular denomination) being, again, the lowest. Anglicans and United Church are seen as being the next lowest on the ranking for negativity. Because of the noted proscribed prejudice inherent in some religious groups, individuals from them may not feel they are being prejudicial at all if they dislike homosexuality. In less fundamentalist groups, the attitude becomes modified to "hate the sin, but love the sinner." Bateson's study addressed just this issue.

In the study participants could help earn money for either of 2 same sex peers by working on a task. Typically, people spend more time helping a peer that they know something about, than an anonymous one. They could ivied their time between one who disclosed the sexual orientation or an unknown student. The "discloser" gave the participants two notes; the first either revealing or not if the discloser was gay, while the second note revealed that the discloser wanted money for an activity that either would or would not promote homosexuality (i.e. visit grandma or attend a gay pride parade). The design tested the willingness to help with three conditions: Non-gay Discloser, a Gay discloser without promoting homosexuality, and a Gay discloser, promoting homosexuality.

As noted, people tend to help those they know something about in general, so there was seen a higher percentage of help given in all cases to disclosers. But the high intrinsic religious people helped less for the gay rather than non-gay discloser even when that help would in no way promote homosexuality. The results suggest that religiosity is associated with antipathy toward value violators (the "sinner"), not just the value violating acts (the "sin"). In the time spent in helping, high intrinsic individuals split their time equally between the discloser who was known to be gay and the unknown (remember, that not knowing anything about an individual decreases the likelihood of helping response to them). When asked about this, respondents rationalized that they divvied up the time as they did to "be fair to the other [unknown] student." In other words they explained their actions not as a moral stand against homosexuality but rather as a moral stand for equality! This explanation was very common among the high intrinsics.

As to religion and mental health, Dr. Myers was accurate in his coverage of this area, finding that average effects are positive, although not dramatic, for intrinsically religious individuals-as to higher levels of well- being and lower depression. Extrinsics, on the other hand were associated with negative mental health. Some of this has been covered earlier in these minutes. But once again, when plotted on a graph, we saw that at both ends of the spectrum the relationship between religiousness and unhappiness was lowest as to unhappiness itself and physical and mental symptoms, with the very religious and the anti-religious almost paralleling each other; the slightly and moderately being high on the graph.

In examining religion, intelligence and cognitive complexity, religiousness, especially orthodoxy, has been slightly negatively correlated with intelligence and intelligence tends to be correlated with liberal and radical attitudes, including agnostic or atheistic views. The study by Hoge found social and religious liberalism to be positively correlated with higher verbal SAT scores. Hunsberger and Brown found the most important difference in apostates versus non-apostates was that of perceiving oneself to be intellectually oriented (not educational attainment per se, but enjoyment of arguments about god, or other intellectual wrangling).

Our next area of examination took into account some of the information generated by an earlier speaker to our group regarding critical thinking skills and the various levels of intellectual attainment as to complexity of thought and ability to see various sides of an argument. Examples Dr. Galen presented over issues such as immoral actions and death showed a laxity in critical self examination and far reaching implications in the lower complexity oriented individual, whereas the high-level individuals tended to think of all sides of an issue and have an intellectual curiosity about them, connecting their thoughts and potential actions to logical implications. Batson and Raynor-Prince found that those who were religiously orthodox had lower Inegrative Complexity for religious and existential concepts (e.g. death, morality) but NOT non-religious concepts!

Quest religiosity, by contrast, was related to complexity for BOTH religious and non-religious concepts. As mentioned earlier, this deeper thinking about the vagaries of life and vexing problems can lead to a lack of decisive direction and lower peace of mind. This leads one to ponder whether it is better to think complexly from a standpoint of truth/anxiety versus simplified/peace of mind-a sense of moral certainty as opposed to deeper thought…

So are religious people "good" (and therefore non-religious people "bad")? No differences were found in measures of altruism, helping others, honesty and cheating. So it depends on how we define "good." If by that term, we mean to say that ascetic behavior, lower use of drugs, less sex, and negative attitudes about homosexuality, suicide, nudity, criminal sentences, pro- death penalty…then the answer becomes "yes." Reasonable people can disagree on the innate goodness of such views. If by religious, one means a fundamentalist or non-questioning orientation and by "good" one means non-prejudiced, compassionate, and accepting- then the answer becomes "no."

Conclusions that Dr. Galen presented: When evaluating the effects of religion, or lack thereof, on social behavior and attitudes, one should assess "what type of religiosity" is being exhibited. As to benefits and drawbacks regarding religious orientation or lack thereof-we must keep in mind the different dimensions that are included in terms such as "moral behavior", "values", "altruism", and "pro-social behavior". Ascetic values may not translate into altruism.

Openness and flexibility may be associated with some uncertainty and anxiety, so tradeoffs emerge from one's level of certainty and fixity/rigidity of thought/belief. Those who move away from mainstream religion may be characterized as more altruistic but may pay a price in regards to social acceptance and cognitive certainty.

This Secretary wishes to thank Dr. Galen not only for a superb presentation (on behalf of the group) but also, personally, for him generously providing wonderful materials to draw upon for me.

Secretary: Charles LaRue

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