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Freethought Association of West Michigan
Meeting Minutes for May 8, 2002, #115

As a reminder, there is no regularly scheduled meeting at the Yankee Clipper Library for May 22, due to a conflict with the library schedule. In lieu of this, those interested are welcome to gather for "Happy Hour at Kurly's Korner" at the usual time (7PM) at 740 Michigan, NE near downtown Grand Rapids. This is where we adjourn to after our regular meetings for informal socializing.

Plan on attending our Annual Freethought Picnic on July 13. It will start @ 12 noon at Hagar Park on 28th Avenue in Jenison; the Maplewood Pavilion. Bring a dish to pass, table service and beverage. Hope to see you there!

Our next Adopt-A-Highway clean up has been re- scheduled for July 20. It is still at 10AM and meeting at the Citgo station on Plainfield Ave., between 5 Mile and the East Beltline.

A newly added topic to our schedule for this year is "The Science of Chiropractic" to be presented by GVSU professor and chiropractor, Dr. Bryan Mikula. This will be on October 9.

Our topic for this meeting was to be "Meditation for Heretics" presented by Steve Anderson. However, he is having surgery so his presentation is now scheduled for August 28. We were fortunate in being able to fill this suddenly vacated slot by getting Dr. Guenter Tusch to speak to us on the topic of "Artificial Intelligence."

Dr. Tusch is a professor at Grand Valley State University in the Computer Science Dept. where he teaches a course in A.I. He came to the U.S. from Germany where he taught at a large medical school. It was there that he had his first contact with artificial intelligence, working, as he was, with medical information systems. There were complaints about the inadequacy of these systems and he began work in correcting these deficiencies, doing research at Stanford and working on "expert systems" that can interface with people more fluidly, resulting in more "user-friendly" programs.

Our presenter provided the four main categories of views on A.I. The 1st one uses humans as a model and tries to have a system that thinks in a humanly fashion by automating activities such as decision making, problem solving and learning. The second example studies how to make computers act more humanly; doing tasks, which at the moment at least, humans do better. The third view deals the study of mental faculties through the use of computational models and looks toward thinking rationally. The last approach relates to acting rationally. This is the branch of computer science that is concerned with the automation of intelligent behavior and is the approach that Dr. Tusch allies himself with. Later in his presentation, he mentioned that rational behavior regards doing the right thing, which in turn equates to that which is expected to maximize goal achievement given the available information.

Next, we examined the "Turing Test", named after the English mathematician and logician, Alan Mathison Turing (1912-1954). In 1936 he described a "universal computing machine" that could theoretically be programmed to solve any problem capable of solution by a specifically designed machine. The concept, which was to be called the "Turing machine", foreshadowed the digital computer. He is considered the first to suggest the possibility of machine learning and artificial intelligence. The test that he proposed (in 1950) was to see if a human test subject could distinguish between computer and human responses to questions posed to them. The subject would be placed in a room where he would interrogate a human in one room and a computer in another. When the questioner would be unable to tell from the responses given which one was the human, the machine would be regarded as attaining a state of humanlike intelligence. A flaw in this test is that it is not mathematically testable.

We then turned to laws of thought including normative as opposed to descriptive thought. We looked at the how the Greek scientist, philosopher and logician, Aristotle created constructions that would test, find flaws in, and check the validity of postulations in logic. The problem, Dr. Tusch mentioned, was that not all intelligent behavior can be seen on a formal, logical basis.

Since Dr. Tusch's expertise involves the application of intelligent computational systems to the medical arena, this was discussed a good deal. The professor believes that these systems should always be regarded as a tool to be used in the decision making process but not as the ultimate arbiter. In medicine, in particular, there are so many value-laden, ethical decisions involving relative risks, costs, benefits, trade- offs, and what goal outcomes will be sought by individual patients. The computer system can calculate data related to various cost-benefit scenarios but may miss a piece of critical information and cannot take into account the specific beliefs, hopes, and long-term goals of the individual.

We talked about how knowledge-based expert systems can tabulate, through an extensive "if- then" checklist, the core medical concern of the individual, going from broad analysis and funneling down to a more precise fitting together of the pieces of information. Dr. Tusch mentioned that this sort of approach is most effective in engineered endeavors but loses some of its efficacy in the more "fuzzy" domain of medical treatment. It becomes more probabilistic and the exercise becomes one of sifting through the different levels of probability outcomes to arrive at the most logical answer.

Dr. Tusch called our attention to the non-directive psychotherapist program that was developed in 1966. This program took key words from the patient's statements and responded mechanistically to them, sometimes echoing the words, sometimes relating a term like "mother" and inquiring about "family" relationships. It was deemed to be unethical because no human was involved as a guide in how the therapy progressed, but some patients claimed: "the program understands me completely." This example brought with it potential problems that could ensue when a human believes that a program has a true understanding of the feelings generated by him or her and sees a relationship between them that does not accurately reflect the mechanistic program routines being utilized by the dispassionate system. The Spielberg film "A.I." was also mentioned in this regard. The goal is to make computer systems that "know" preferences, respond to the individual idiosyncrasies, interests and pursuits with minimal effort in teaching by the user, but it would be incorrect to confuse what the operating system "knows" about you, with it "caring" about you.

We were next presented with reproduced images of a few paintings and were asked what we were able to discern from them. The first was highly abstracted. Then there was a scene depicting more readily recognizable elements. This made it easier to relate the abstracted forms to something echoed in a more realistic manner. Other elements were magnified, or focused on in subsequent pictures. This exercise was a learning process where we became more competent in recognizing the abstracted aspects of the pictures for what they harkened to. Professor Tusch said that a computer needs to be able to relate things to other known elements in the environment (or its data base) without them being explicitly programmed in, to have an effective A.I. learning capacity.

Dr. Tusch next showed us how computer models could be made that used symbols for objects. The computer would first recognize what constituted a correct representation of the object and what fell outside the established parameters. Then it could relate such objects to each other correctly and then establish the functional relationships and values added to them in different contexts; inter-relating the assemblages of symbols. However, these models do not yet reflect the complexity of our awareness.

Expert systems are all limited to what is programmed into them (the quality and quantity of the data) and Dr. Tusch showed how difficult it is to approach many problems in a precise, rule-based way. Driving was one example he gave of this. It is one thing for a human to perform this task, and a very different intellectual operation, to figure out how to program all the contingencies and subconsciously- performed aspects of this task into a computer system.

Dr. Tusch briefly touched on the work being done in neural networks, or attempts to mimic the structure of the human brain in creating an artificial intelligence. We talked about how initially people had to adapt to the computer language and how programs ran in a manner unnatural for humans, but that systems are becoming ever more the reverse of this; the program adapting to the user who interacts more normally and comfortably with it. The computer becomes more of a partner, assisting the human in his/her pursuits and goals.

Again, in relating A.I. to medicine, we discussed how these systems could find connections based on predictions from the body of knowledge and analysis but that it was limited by not being able to take everything into account and that not all pertinent information could be readily measured and put into the system. The "gut feeling" by the human is still an important element and no matter how good the diagnostics become, diagnostics, in the end, is not the main problem of medicine.

One of the group members said that it seemed that a system that could initially ask the right questions, guiding one to the heart of the matter quickly, could perhaps bypass a battery of expensive tests involving high-tech. scans, etc. Dr. Tusch maintained that even though there is some overlap and redundancy involved when a series of different tests are run, this actually makes for a built- in safety check. Something that would be missed by one line of investigation is more likely to be picked up on in another. One could also be tempted in following a single line of plausible evidence down a blind alley while the correct path remained hidden.

There was discussion about the basic terminology-perhaps, instead of considering "artificial intelligence" we should think in terms of "organic vs. inorganic intelligence." The question was raised whether inorganic intelligence exists and what exactly constitutes intelligence. We no longer think of human intelligence as a single thing but see the various intelligences, how they interrelate, how one can compensate for another and how humans can be gifted in different ways, whereas in the past, intellect was considered mostly by achievement in areas of math and language. We explored the question of whether computational devices could make use of different "intelligences" should one aspect no longer function or function correctly.

Professor Tusch made a distinction between A.I and the data base itself, with the analogy of the data base being like a warehouse. A.I is what is used to access what is needed from the warehouse. A more full warehouse has more facts that can be processed creating a better knowledge representation.

One member said that A.I. should recognize patterns that it was not told (programmed explicitly) to recognize. This brought about discussion of how an evolutionary approach has been used to arrive at creative solutions in such fields as aerodynamics and even detergents (the former regarding wing designs and the latter dealing with better enzymes to clean fabrics). There were no set program parameters or human intervention in the outcomes arrived at by the blind design mutations. Indeed, such examples have been shown to demonstrate that in biological evolution there is no need for an Intelligent Designer to guide the course of life's forms.

One member saw the "artificial" in this discussion as being about an artificial distinction between our human mental functions and the way that a computer works. He laid out how what we term "will" is decision making based on scanning our data base and intuition is merely unconscious scanning of the same and talked about classical conditioning, reinforcement and motivational goal states.

It was mentioned that a truly autonomous machine would have to gain its "experiences" directly from the external environment and learn by its interactions, trial and error, and expanding data base of connections arrived at by these interactions---much as a growing human child does-rather than having it all programmed into it by human operators.

Dr Tusch mentioned the research being done into applications for A.I. in military and in space exploration. The former need to have autonomous action for effective operation in the field, in place of a human agent being put in danger. With operations in space, explorational devices must function without constant control by humans, since real-time connection cannot be established and maintained as the devices perform their tasks and they must be able to respond to a wide variety of novel circumstances.

Secretary: Charles LaRue

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