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Minutes of 11-4-98 meeting (#35)

Freethought Association of West Michigan

Urban Institute of Contemporary Arts

November 4, 1998

 

Important! Please help to encourage any and all potentially interested

people to attend our next special event. This will be a presentation by Roger

Greeley on "The Freethought Legacy of Robert Ingersoll", the 19th century

"Great Infidel," powerful orator and influential promoter of independent

thinking. Greeley is the minister emeritus of the Unitarian Peoples' Church

in Kalamazoo, has authored two books (and given over 100 presentations) on the

life of Robert Green Ingersoll. This is not be missed by any advocate of

freethought. It will take place at the Urban Institute for Contemporary Arts,

41 Sheldon Boulevard S.E., Grand Rapids, on Wednesday, November 18, from 7 to

9 p.m. Cost is $5, payable at the door. There is free parking available on

the street or in the Spectrum parking lot. A good turn-out will ensure future

special events and better public awareness of humanist thought.

 

Tim mentioned a special Friday the 13th event where participants do various

things contradictory to superstitious beliefs; walk under ladders, and so on.

Contact him or the general FAOWM address for more information.

 

The topic of this meeting was "Election Results and Politics" and was

moderated by Dirk Nebbeling, long time humanist and "New Deal Liberal Democrat

living in West MI." Dirk felt that there was some cause for elation in the

results of this recent election. Much was made of the fact that the pundits

and prognosticators were woefully inaccurate in their predictions on many

aspects of the various election outcomes.

 

Dirk, unabashedly opined on the diverse differences between the two major

parties and why he allies himself with the Democrats. These included issues

such as health care, public education/charter schools, Social Security,

privatization, prison growth and other areas of contention between the two

parties. He also mentioned his feelings on lack of representation for many

years for the causes and beliefs he cherishes. Many of us, regardless of our

political leanings, related at least to not feeling represented well as

members of the freethought community and how individuals from both parties

ally themselves with religion to garner more votes.

 

The powerful influence of the Christian Coalition on the Republican party in

general and Religious Right wing in particular was raised. Also how, in

staunchly conservative areas, GOP candidates will try to out-conservative each

other.

 

Some of the big surprises were recalled including the election of the

colorful Ventura as governor elect of Minnesota. Besides his background in

his role as "The Body" in pro wrestling there was the further surprise of him

successfully winning as a third party candidate. The implications for the

viability of future charismatic individuals from third parties was discussed.

Also, related to this, the idea of a "none of the above" option on ballots

was brought up as a way to make one's vote count while showing dissatisfaction

with either choice.

 

The BBC recently ran a story on how this year's election demonstrated the

rejection of candidates in every state who were strongly backed by the

Religious Right. Of special note is Alabama governor Fob James' failed bid

for re-election (he was the supporter of prayer in schools and the Decalogue

remaining in Judge Roy Moore's courtroom.) This brought to mind how those

running a more centrist campaign seemed more favored and how potential swing

voters are more likely to go with someone not on any extreme. Speaking of

extreme individuals; the friend of Dr. James Dobson, Pat Robertson and their

ilk, Gary Bauer, has been talking about mobilizing 100,000 Christian activists

to "bring the country on the path of redemption."

 

The Religious Liberties Protection Act was mentioned. This deals with

government employing a compelling interest/least restrictive means test before

placing any "burden" on religious groups and practices or rituals. Problems

with this scheme include favoring the religious over non-religious and how

religious practices in various cults or sects can include all manner of

ethically heinous (and unconstitutional) activities. Related to this and the

main topic was the ownership of vast amounts of tax-free land by churches and

the tax-exempt status in general giving unfair advantages to them especially

when they promote specific agendas via money and other influences in defiance

of the church/state separation. A specific proposal mentioned was "B" which

the Catholic Church put forth great effort in demolishing.

 

Not all in attendance were of the same political bent and not all to the same

degree, so different challenges and ideas in contrast to the initial

propensity emerged. Besides the Republican platform, the Libertarian view of

"less government is better government" was discussed.

 

Also tossed about were thoughts on entitlements, debt reduction, spending,

taxation priorities, the fate of Social Security once the "baby boomers" reach

retirement age, amount of responsibility to others, etc. Related to health

care, it was said that the greatest % of expense is incurred in the last 6

months of life. Canadian and European models were compared and contrasted to

ours. The thought was raised that programs are implemented relatively easily

but are difficult to "kill" when they either no longer serve their purpose or

become very inefficient. Perpetuation rather than repair or elimination is

often the rule.

 

Remember that our next meeting will be the special Ingersoll presentation by

Greeley. Bring a spouse or guest to the UICA on the 18th at 7 p.m.

______________________

 

Two books of note on Postmodernism and A House Built of Sand; Exposing

Postmodernist Myths About Science, edited by Norretta Koertge and Fashionable

Nonsense; Postmodern Philosophers' Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal and Jean

Bricmont.

Charles LaRue

Recorder




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